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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.faithemergence.com/2008/08/echo-live-saturday/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John-If &quot;lutheran&quot; is a stumbling block to the unchurched (and yes, Luther didn&#039;t want his followers to call themselves Lutherans, but they insisted on doing so to honor him and identify themselves as something other than ex-communicated Catholics)then we should do away with the LCMS in its entirety(including seminaries and funding of churches) and drop the word &quot;Lutheran&quot; from all churches in the Synod so as to not appear to be doing a &quot;bait and switch&quot; on those who come to a (shh)Lutheran church and find out too late, after they find they agree with its teachings, that it is not the non-denominational assembly of people that they thought it was. 

If we are not proud of branding the organization we belong to with a name that describes it and we can defend why--then let&#039;s call it quits and join the Saddleback or First Main or the &quot;Bunch of Us Community&quot; church if we wish to continue attending any church. Oh, I guess we could disband and those that want to meet at someone&#039;s house in the Church of the Living Room could do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John-If &#8220;lutheran&#8221; is a stumbling block to the unchurched (and yes, Luther didn&#8217;t want his followers to call themselves Lutherans, but they insisted on doing so to honor him and identify themselves as something other than ex-communicated Catholics)then we should do away with the LCMS in its entirety(including seminaries and funding of churches) and drop the word &#8220;Lutheran&#8221; from all churches in the Synod so as to not appear to be doing a &#8220;bait and switch&#8221; on those who come to a (shh)Lutheran church and find out too late, after they find they agree with its teachings, that it is not the non-denominational assembly of people that they thought it was. </p>
<p>If we are not proud of branding the organization we belong to with a name that describes it and we can defend why&#8211;then let&#8217;s call it quits and join the Saddleback or First Main or the &#8220;Bunch of Us Community&#8221; church if we wish to continue attending any church. Oh, I guess we could disband and those that want to meet at someone&#8217;s house in the Church of the Living Room could do so.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.faithemergence.com/2008/08/echo-live-saturday/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know Gordon.  Isn&#039;t the church&#039;s primary purpose to be reaching out to the unchurched?  And if the word &quot;Lutheran&quot; (which Luther would have hated) is a stumbling block to those people, shouldn&#039;t we be more than willing to take it out?  

After all, isn&#039;t using &quot;Lutheran&quot; before &quot;Church&quot; our way of organizationally branding our congregation - and isn&#039;t this what Brad Abare might be cautioning us against?

Just because their name doesn&#039;t include the word &#039;Lutheran&#039; doesn&#039;t mean that they aren&#039;t being an incredible &#039;Lutheran&#039; witness in their communities!  (The name doesn&#039;t define the thing...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Gordon.  Isn&#8217;t the church&#8217;s primary purpose to be reaching out to the unchurched?  And if the word &#8220;Lutheran&#8221; (which Luther would have hated) is a stumbling block to those people, shouldn&#8217;t we be more than willing to take it out?  </p>
<p>After all, isn&#8217;t using &#8220;Lutheran&#8221; before &#8220;Church&#8221; our way of organizationally branding our congregation &#8211; and isn&#8217;t this what Brad Abare might be cautioning us against?</p>
<p>Just because their name doesn&#8217;t include the word &#8216;Lutheran&#8217; doesn&#8217;t mean that they aren&#8217;t being an incredible &#8216;Lutheran&#8217; witness in their communities!  (The name doesn&#8217;t define the thing&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.faithemergence.com/2008/08/echo-live-saturday/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Brad Abare to the degree that I am very disappointed with our Texas District that they have allowed (and funded) two churches that refuse to use the name &quot;Lutheran&quot; in their name because they are trying to &quot;reach out &quot; to the unchurched who don&#039;t trust organized religion. That is blasphemy in my sight and they should not be in communion with the LCMS, but rather with the &quot;Community Church of Whatever You Believe&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Brad Abare to the degree that I am very disappointed with our Texas District that they have allowed (and funded) two churches that refuse to use the name &#8220;Lutheran&#8221; in their name because they are trying to &#8220;reach out &#8221; to the unchurched who don&#8217;t trust organized religion. That is blasphemy in my sight and they should not be in communion with the LCMS, but rather with the &#8220;Community Church of Whatever You Believe&#8221;.</p>
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